WPF - World Photography Forum
Home Gallery Register FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Welcome to World Photography Forum!
Welcome!

Thank you for finding your way to World Photography Forum, a dedicated community for photographers and enthusiasts. There's a variety of forums, a wonderful gallery, and what's more, we are absolutely FREE. You are very welcome to join, take part in the discussion, and post your pictures!

Click here to go to the forums home page and find out more.
Click here to join.


Go Back   World Photography Forum > Photography Equipment > Cameras


Cameras Discussion on Cameras of all types

high ISO performance

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 01-05-10, 09:34
postcardcv's Avatar
postcardcv postcardcv is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Norfolk
Age: 48
Posts: 1,856
Default high ISO performance

Yesterday a friend asked me to take some test shots with my 5D mkII at ISO3200 and 6400. While doing these I was think how crazy the high ISO performance of current cameras is, the ability to shot in low light is better than it's ever been yet still we all want more. I remember being pleased when I got a camera that could handle ISO800 well enough, and even more please when i got one that shot at that level without the need for noise reduction. I'd not really tested this side of the 5D yet so was pleased to see that 3200 looks quite clean and 6400 would clearly be useable with some careful processing. I took some shots at even higher levels and the noise gets quite bad, but even at 25600 I think they'd do for a smallish print.

I'm not claiming that my camera does this better than others (I know that a D3s would be significantly better), I was just thinking how impressive all the current cameras are in this respect. I wonder just how far the high ISO performance will be pushed in the next few years...

Anyway here are my test shots, forgive the boring subject but it was justa quick test. First set of shots are shot RAW and converted to jpg with no other processing, then resized down to 900x600. The second batch are 100% crops (again with no processing) to show the noise at the pixel level.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg ISO3200.jpg (110.7 KB, 23 views)
File Type: jpg ISO6400.jpg (114.3 KB, 14 views)
File Type: jpg ISO12800.jpg (126.8 KB, 12 views)
File Type: jpg ISO25600.jpg (151.8 KB, 20 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-05-10, 09:36
postcardcv's Avatar
postcardcv postcardcv is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Norfolk
Age: 48
Posts: 1,856
Default

100% crops...
Attached Images
File Type: jpg ISO3200crop.jpg (99.7 KB, 11 views)
File Type: jpg ISO6400crop.jpg (107.9 KB, 4 views)
File Type: jpg ISO12800crop.jpg (121.0 KB, 7 views)
File Type: jpg ISO25600crop.jpg (145.2 KB, 13 views)
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-05-10, 09:48
wolfie's Avatar
wolfie wolfie is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Sutton On Sea
Posts: 2,555
Default

Yes extremely boring, you should have used a bottle of the malt

I agree with what you say. High ISO from my 5D and 7D are remarkable compared with my old 300D, but has long as we demand better the manufacturers will strive for better
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-05-10, 09:50
surfg1mp's Avatar
surfg1mp surfg1mp is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Abingdon, Oxford, UK
Age: 51
Posts: 1,782
Default

not i boring topic at all, I wish my camera could handle iso's as high as that.......
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-05-10, 10:37
andy153's Avatar
andy153 andy153 is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Bodelwyddan Denbighshire
Age: 78
Posts: 5,271
Default

I'm still waiting for the camera that can take hand held pictures of a black cat in a blacked out room at midnight with the curtains drawn and no lights to become available and I agree with Harry - it should have been single malt . My D3 and D700 have remarkable High ISO's as well - I posted results some time ago - but actually, where does it take us? I've played with the 100% crop at 25600 - all I've done is run it through noise ninja. But again I ask, where is it taking us? Do we really need this? Sports venues are lit for TV - I can see very little practical application for this supposed increased ISO.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg ISO25600crop.jpg (238.7 KB, 8 views)
__________________
"I take pictures of what I like - if someone else likes them - that's a bonus" Andy M.

http://www.pbase.com/andy153

http://andy153.smugmug.com/

Equipment: Nikon - More than enough !!!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-05-10, 14:10
Alex1994's Avatar
Alex1994 Alex1994 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 806
Default

To continue andy's point, I've never needed more than 400 ISO.

But the technology is now amazing, when you consider that ISO 3200 film looks far far grainer than that ISO 25600.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 01-05-10, 15:05
postcardcv's Avatar
postcardcv postcardcv is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Norfolk
Age: 48
Posts: 1,856
Default

I guess the need for decent high ISO performance depends on what sort of photography you do. When photographing birds I very rarely go below ISO400 but try not to go about 1600 (it's the limit of the camera I use for birding). In a studio situation I stay at ISO100 as light isn't an issue and I want the cleanest images possible as I may need to print big. One time that I can imagine being able to push the ISO really high would be a big plus would be shooting a wedding. In a dim church with no flash allowed, a fast lens and a camera you can trust at 6400 would let you get shots that you would otherwise have missed.

I do wonder where it will end - I rember being thrilled with my 40D as I could use ISO800 without any NR and 1600 with a bit of care, I reckon that the 5D mkII is almost 2 stops better than the 40D. No doubt the 5D mkIIs performance will be eclipsed and in a couple of years we'll be able to use 12800 with great results...
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 01-05-10, 18:05
yelvertoft's Avatar
yelvertoft yelvertoft is offline  
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: North Essex, UK
Age: 59
Posts: 8,486
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by postcardcv View Post
I guess the need for decent high ISO performance depends on what sort of photography you do. [snippety snip]

One time that I can imagine being able to push the ISO really high would be a big plus would be shooting a wedding. In a dim church with no flash allowed, a fast lens and a camera you can trust at 6400 would let you get shots that you would otherwise have missed.
That's the real point Alex. The ability to take shots in interior settings without using flash and retain a usable hand-held shutter speed is a real boon.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 01-05-10, 18:51
Birdsnapper's Avatar
Birdsnapper Birdsnapper is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Lincs
Posts: 5,666
Default

I like low light photography, and to be able to take photos without lugging a tripod around would be a great boon. High ISO would also mean that I could use my slow Tamron for bird photography. So I'm looking forward to the day when I can afford a 5DII.

Just because an individual photographer has no need for a particular feature does not mean that others do not want it.
__________________
Mike
Nobody ever erected a statue of a critic
http://www.pbase.com/sunnycote
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-05-10, 19:09
Alex1994's Avatar
Alex1994 Alex1994 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 806
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by yelvertoft View Post
That's the real point Alex. The ability to take shots in interior settings without using flash and retain a usable hand-held shutter speed is a real boon.
Yeah, I guess it's useful for some more specialist applications like that. In natural light it's not really necessary.

That said, it is possible to take a hand-held picture inside a church auditorium if you have ISO 400 and a 50mm f1.4 lens.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:08.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.