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Canis Vulpes 05-10-08 20:28

A move to the brace new digital age...
 
Nikon Still Video Camera, Model 1.

Considering this was 1986, truly amazing!

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography.../SVC/index.htm

miketoll 07-10-08 21:01

I had never heard of this one before. Amazing to think that was 1986. Then eventually the D90.....

sassan 18-10-08 04:46

Here is one lovely L class old Fd lens from Canon that was sooo well done that was converted into movie camera lens by modifying the mount.

LINK

Not an uncommon story as I have seen many of these type conversions by Hollywood giants to take the advantage of excellent glasses. In fact sometimes back saw add on ebay that even would specify which movie the lens was used for...

Wonder why can't we convert them to todays DSLR mounts without obligation to use those unwanted converters with cheap glass that fully degrades the original lens' quality. Where is Don to come with some easy DIY suggestion?

miketoll 18-10-08 19:55

Amazing bit of kit, love the handle which rather indicates it weighs a ton.

Joe 18-10-08 20:39

Agree totally with you Sassan. There's some real gems in the FD mount, which don't fetch much money. Canon did there own converter, which are now very rare (and expensive)...shame the chinese copies aren't that brilliant.

I've seen both of these lens types go on ebay in the last few years.
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography...ses/6800mm.htm

Neither of them fetched anything like the money you'd expect them too.

Don Hoey 20-10-08 16:17

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Originally Posted by sassan (Post 31411)
......... Where is Don to come with some easy DIY suggestion?

You are cracking me up Sassan. Me, a Nikon guy trying to understand the ins and outs of the various Canon lens mounts. Toooooo late to convert me now. :D :D :D

A rummage around shows that Canon had 4 different lens mounts. 'R' mount, 'FL' mount, 'FD' mount, and 'EF' mount. The critical element appears to be that with the introduction of the EF mount the flange to film/sensor plane was increased from 42mm to 44mm. Necessarily an optical element needs to be included in any adaptor to achieve infinity focus. I have no idea if there is a then compatabilty issue between the various models of DSLR as to their ability to obtain exposure information. Perhaps we need a Canon Lens Resource thread similar to my Nikon one.

Pentax and Nikon have no problems in mounting early lenses, but sensor resolution and in camera processing engine brings its own problems. The 12mp sensor of my D2X will find and magnify flaws on lenses that would have been quite ok when used with films other than the ultra high resolution Technical Pan.
For example I have a Nikkor 300mm (non ED version) f4.5 lens, that is fine for colour negative film but is just plain soft on the D2X. A Nikkor 200mm f4 that has good sharpness and resolution but gives quite a bit of CA towards the edge of the frame, again tested on the D2X. However that same 200mm on Stevies new toy - D300, again a 12mp sensor but with a different processing engine, is superb even wide open without a trace of CA.

Perhaps we need another thread covering known good lenses from the manual focus era in various lens mounts. I have a few top notch Nikon AIs ones (nothing exotic though) for such a list .

I have found mir.com links to the 150mm-600mm giving specs
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography...oms/150600.htm
and a link to the converter Joe mentions.
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography...nses/fdeos.htm

Don

miketoll 20-10-08 20:15

You can order FD to EF converters from SRB Giturn, as you say they have an element in them which, if I recall correctly, has a magnification of 1.6. Obviously manual focus and presumably manual aperture set on the lens which would mean exposure via the shutter speed for a sort of shutter priority.

Joe 20-10-08 22:22

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You can order FD to EF converters from SRB Giturn, as you say they have an element in them which, if I recall correctly, has a magnification of 1.6. Obviously manual focus and presumably manual aperture set on the lens which would mean exposure via the shutter speed for a sort of shutter priority.
Have not used one myself, but these chinese ones have had very mixed reviews for hi res digi use. Canon's own version was much better, but was intended very much as a stop gap to try and stop the pro's moaning about having to ditch their F1's to get Eos1's (back in film days!), AND then buy new big glass.

sassan 18-11-08 07:22

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Originally Posted by Joe (Post 31475)
Have not used one myself, but these chinese ones have had very mixed reviews for hi res digi use. Canon's own version was much better, but was intended very much as a stop gap to try and stop the pro's moaning about having to ditch their F1's to get Eos1's (back in film days!), AND then buy new big glass.

I have had good share of experience with those Chines and even so called Japanese after market ones and to be frank, they socks! though do the job of physical connection. The cheap glass is the source of problem and to say the least, you will be expert to take out the "Chromatic Aberration" out of your images, in no time... Here are some experience from my past:

LINK One
LINK Two


I removed the cheap glass (That is needed for infinity focusing) from one of those Chines ones, and like the quality of images are as good as the should be, of course only for the macro or very near field focusing.
Canon has the same macro (No glass) adapters for about 100-200 dollar but why to pay high when you can easily get the same result form after market, much cheaper products.
But the Canon's original FD to EOS converter is a totally different story. Glass on those are excellent Canon quality (No CA or any other imperfection in final image). The problem is that Canon made only a few of them (I believe about 2000 of them only) at the transitional time to switch between older FD / FL mounts to the newer EOS. So they are very very hard to find and even if you do find one, they may be even more expensive that the super telephoto lens itself. You actually can call yourself luck if you find one, but "Unlucky" to pay for!!!:o I just don't understand why Canon doesn't make any more effort in bringing a respond to the buyers who like to see this retro conversion. It surely has to do with the marketing of the new products.
If interested check these before the link dies.
Cheap ones
Cheap ones without glass i.e. Macro adapter

Canon's original

sassan 18-11-08 07:38

Oh one other thing I forgot to mentioned about FD to EOS converters is the ingenuity of some people (Where is Don?).

Long time back I saw one auction on ebay where the seller physically converted the camera end of long lens (A 600mm SSC F/4.5 Canon FD) into an EOS by a yet to find out how, one way, permanent conversion. He then added a chips that fools the new camera body, harbouring the old lens to think that lens is an electronic F/1.4 electronic lens (No error 99!) so you could have the electrical coupling. What it does, it gives you that Red Focus confirmation waring in your eos viewfinder once your subject is in perfect focus, of couse, needless to say, you must focus manually.
I contacted the guy about the conversion, but he must have been desperated from low final sale price he got on the lens (About $800 that was a steal and Just can't find out how I missed it) so he never responded to me but may be our Don can through some light into this matter. I am ready to make a permanent FD - EOS conversion in a DIY way if get adequate information and no I suck in welding (I am OK with unscrewing though).

sassan 18-11-08 07:51

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One of the very unique zoom lens ever made by any company is the Sigma's 50-500 range super zoom. No company to this date has dare to make a competitor for this Bigma.

Here is one I found on ebay that might be the original idea!
Do you know of anything close in this range? i.e. from almost neutral (50mm) to a super tele?

LINK to ebay seller

LINK to mir archive.



Image copyrighted to ebay seller: blubau

ebay item number 120332523260

Joe 18-11-08 16:46

Some neat links there Sassan. thanks.
There's some real problems that'll be encountered converting FD lenses to Eos body, AND maintaining distant focus, as you've posted already. The FD breech-lock design doesn't make life easy for adaption. (for those unfamiliar, the FD system lens mount looks like it some be on the camera body. Likewise, the bodies had 'protruding' mounts, similar to, but not quite as 'sticky out' as normal lens mount of today does.)

Have seen a few big white FD ones go cheap as chips. Unfortunately I've no links to it, but saw similar with another 'long tom' big FD fit glass (maybe same one you saw Sassan?)....A massive Canon 600mm FD mount lens had been striped back at the body end, so accepting the ultra common M42 screw thread accessories (Pentax Spotmatic,Praktica,Zenith, and some current Voigtlanders)......as I remember, it had a history of being used on movie making equipment. C mount rings a bell?, but I'm thinking it might have had the common M42 lens to Eos/EF body mount adapter then fitted to it, and the AF confirm chip stuck to the adapter?
I've not yet seen any smaller lens stripped back, but kinda guessing the long tom prices, design (and with more barrel material to hack off), lends them more to some seriuos adaption work?
In terms of chips, adapters etc, ebay is a great / economical sourse, but SRB filters have a history of pretty radical conversions....tho a bit pricey
Seems a shame that loads of FD stuff goes for peanuts......similarly some Minolta AF lens mount stuff was going the same way in the S/H market, until Sony stepped in!


crickey!...hadn't realised how cheap those FD-EF adapters are!.....full of eastern promise?!lol
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FD-Lens-to-Can...1%7C240%3A1318

Don Hoey 18-11-08 16:53

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Originally Posted by sassan (Post 32111)
..............Do you know of anything close in this range? i.e. from almost neutral (50mm) to a super tele?

Hi Sassan,

Long zooms have not really been my bag but I know how you love big glass so this link should be of interest. Although primarily it is about the Nikkor 360-1200, if you scroll to the bottom of the page you will see that Sigma offered a similar range lens.
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography.../3601200mm.htm

Don

Joe 18-11-08 17:12

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Long zooms have not really been my bag
Talking of bags, those in the link would need mighty big bags!....and the 300mm looks tiny by comparison!

Joe 12-01-09 22:53

Here's a throwback to how digital technology has progressed. This isn't really THAT old!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Kodak-Nikon-DC...1%7C240%3A1318


and how many of us dreamed of owning such a beast back then?!

sassan 29-03-09 22:00

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Have been away from this forum for a while.

Here is one of those big eyes for jet black night!

Leica with canon F/0.95


LINK


Image copyrighted to ebay seller http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gifdjl251
ebay item: 120395961225

Moonlighter 31-03-09 23:42

f/0.95? if i'am not mistaken it's the fastest aperture ever made, isn't it?

sassan 01-04-09 07:28

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Originally Posted by Moonlighter (Post 35062)
f/0.95? if i'am not mistaken it's the fastest aperture ever made, isn't it?

Correct.
The fastest I know off. Even F/1 is a rare breed of its own.

yelvertoft 01-04-09 08:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonlighter (Post 35062)
f/0.95? if i'am not mistaken it's the fastest aperture ever made, isn't it?

Equal fastest, sort of. Presumably this is the same article, but with Leica badges on it (and associated price hike).
http://us.leica-camera.com/photograp...nses/5915.html

Moonlighter 01-04-09 23:27

I see, thank you.

sassan 02-04-09 03:05

Lieca link is interesting with the sample picture.
I am actually surprise by the DOF of F/0.95 when looking at the back glass, as usually these creat a paper thin field of focus and everything else is OOF.

Moonlighter 02-04-09 22:23

I heard Canon once manufactured 50mm f/0.95 lens. In the 60-s.

sassan 06-04-09 07:39

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Originally Posted by Moonlighter (Post 35102)
I heard Canon once manufactured 50mm f/0.95 lens. In the 60-s.


A few other companies dare to make that too including Zeiss.

Don Hoey 06-05-09 16:00

I found this while answering another query. Looking for Leica and then a mini diversion. :rolleyes:

750 exposure film back on an F2S. Now that is BIG. :eek: :D

http://www.cameraquest.com/nf2750.htm

Don

yelvertoft 06-05-09 17:55

Don, the motocycle club I used to belong to once had a talk given to us by the Metropolitan police force section that managed the speed cameras in central London. This was mid-late 1980s, before digital cameras were common. They used an Olympus OM1 fitted with a similarly big film back. It would still run out of film in a couple of days at some of the worst blackspots.


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