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wolfie 17-09-08 08:44

Do we really want HD movie mode
 
Do we really want HD movie mode on our DSLRS?

"Destined Evolution" The 5D mk11 has now arrived 21mp with an expanded ISO of 50 to 25,600

I would much prefer no movie mode and a sub £1500 price point than the stated £2,300

Canis Vulpes 17-09-08 11:01

I quite agree, Harry.

Keep a DSLR a Digtal Still Camera. I prefer one item that does something well than an single item that does lots of things all badly!

miketoll 17-09-08 15:54

Well I don't think the 5Dll will do lots of things badly but I do agree that HD video on a stills camera is of no interest to me and I do not want to pay for the feature (chance would be a fine thing) but the marketing boys at Canon and Nikon and elsewhere are forever looking for new features and this one is hopefully not too expensive. I guess it just requires a feed from the live view to a dedicated chip (which it has) and thence to the memory card. It will end up on all new cameras like live view itself. No autofocus and really requires the use of a tripod to get the best out of it so a poor option for casual use I would have thought. I have only once used the video mode on my compact but there are those who love it.....

robski 17-09-08 17:14

I suppose it is the Wallace & Grommet style movies ( e.g 20D used to take 1 frame at a time) has inspired somebody to think it is a good idea. Personally I have no interest in making movies.

Canis Vulpes 17-09-08 18:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by miketoll (Post 30687)
Well I don't think the 5Dll will do lots of things badly .

The meaning behind my quip is if one wants to make movies then buy a dedicated movie camera not a DSLR that also makes movies. If one wants to take photographs buy a DSLR.

A one man band never makes music like a five piece band.

Nobody mention S-club 7 :D:D

miketoll 17-09-08 19:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canis Vulpes (Post 30691)
The meaning behind my quip is if one wants to make movies then buy a dedicated movie camera not a DSLR that also makes movies. If one wants to take photographs buy a DSLR.

A one man band never makes music like a five piece band.

Nobody mention S-club 7 :D:D

Agree with you, slightly misunderstood you.

sassan 18-09-08 17:37

I was always thinking whether I will see the new Canon's 5D in my life time!:)
So its good to see it coming but original 5D got its fame for giving a fully professional totally out of this world, futuristic technology at just above usual DSLR and not at full fledge ones. Hope to see new 5Ds price set right. I am sure Canon will give us enough technology on this one to last for long but Canon also has shown the ability to just come with several face lift updates of lower end models, just to be replaced by a much sophisticated one very soon. No mater what I am for getting a new 5D soon with or without the wife's permission!

Birdsnapper 18-09-08 18:07

I can imagine some pro wedding photographers putting in a 32gb card and taking stills and movies for the happy couple as an edge over the competition.

miketoll 18-09-08 19:24

Go for it Sassan! You have been waiting long enough! I expect the IQ to be very high so ignore any features you do not want and enjoy! :)

sassan 20-09-08 20:37

I was quit specticle about the movie gismo too but after seeing the sample, I am sold to its magnificane and surely like to have this especially when this comes at no additional cost or weight to the body.
Check the link for yourself:

LINK

sassan 21-09-08 07:32

For those who like to see a sample of image by 5D MKII, check this one:

LINK

Especially look at images 36 through 40 that are the real test of that unheard off super-Hi ISO. IQ seems droped a lot but its alway good to have the power of taking something when others show only black picture.

wolfie 21-09-08 09:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by sassan (Post 30738)
I was quit specticle about the movie gismo too but after seeing the sample, I am sold to its magnificane and surely like to have this especially when this comes at no additional cost or weight to the body.
Check the link for yourself:

LINK

Hi Sassan, I agree with you regarding the quality of video, but it's a feature that I've no interest in.

You say there is no additional cost, well in the UK it's coming in at almost double the cost of the 5DMk1 £1200

miketoll 21-09-08 12:40

The original price for the 5D was over £2,000 and as always drops over time so I expect the 5Dll will follow a similar pattern so any one who wants one and has the patience hang on.

miketoll 21-09-08 12:44

The original price of the 5D was well over £2,000 and then as always the price dropped so the 5Dll will follow a similar pattern so anybody who wants one and has the patience just hang on.

sassan 22-09-08 03:43

Yes I meant when compare to originally introduced price of 5D, 5D II is even a tad cheaper here at introduction of US $ 2699 (Without kit 35-105mm L lens that cost US$3500) is a very promising thing Canon did.

You are also absolutely right that with a pinch of patience, one can save a lot not only on 5D MK II but on almost every new electronic gadget in the market. In fact I am hearing of a hectic Canon's rebate on old 5D is to be announced soon and good for those who understand value of right tool for right job rather that shinny thing to show.

Honestly I am a bad person in listening to myself and may get the new one as I am not sure if saving money can get me more time to live... Only thing need to settle with myself is why I am not going to get the Sony's full frame A900 at higher MP and faster burst mood shooting that I personally find very useful in sport and action shooting.

As for 1080P video recording, HDMI out put port, and most importantly, ability to use your very hard to earned L class lenses on you video machine, I think it make me very trilled. About 15 minuts max of recording at a time, it is another issue but I think this can be handled with no problem. I really like to see the video clips on the high screen HD TV and if it match for what we get these days form bluray or TV stations, I will be very very happy to have the feature.
I guess this feature is just a twick of software and Canon or other future manufacturers (With live view ability) will not really need to add any material in the camera's body so to add to the cost of this feature (Or for that matter weight) So the addition is really a big plus brought in by the ingenuity of Canon's engineers and is only to follow by others soon.

Derekb 23-09-08 17:19

If you REALLY want to see what this camera can do, then watch this video...

Here


Stunning does not quite tell the tale! :eek:

Birdsnapper 23-09-08 18:55

Thanks for the link, Derek. Incredible. I haven't been worried about upgrading till now, but I'll have to start saving.

Vectis Birder 23-09-08 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canis Vulpes (Post 30686)
I quite agree, Harry.

Keep a DSLR a Digtal Still Camera. I prefer one item that does something well than an single item that does lots of things all badly!

I agree. I don't really see the point of a movie mode on a still camera, especially a DSLR, when a dedicated video camera would do the job better. It's just one more thing to go wrong and just strikes me as a gimmick.

Derekb 23-09-08 22:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vectis Birder (Post 30808)
I agree. I don't really see the point of a movie mode on a still camera, especially a DSLR, when a dedicated video camera would do the job better. It's just one more thing to go wrong and just strikes me as a gimmick.

This is no gimmick. Have you watched the above video? I have never seen a video camera as good as this.

If I was a Canon user I would want one, for sure...

wolfie 23-09-08 22:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derekb (Post 30811)
This is no gimmick. Have you watched the above video? I have never seen a video camera as good as this.

If I was a Canon user I would want one, for sure...

Derek I just popped in to post the same link. Absolutely stunning.

I said earlier that I had no interest in upgrading from the 5D, I'm now having second thoughts.

I do understand that if you fire of a "still" whilst using video the video stops for one second, not sure how much of a problem this is.

Harry

"Hi Sassan, I agree with you regarding the quality of video, but it's a feature that I've no interest in."

Sassan, I may live to regret that statement:)

Birdsnapper 24-09-08 06:16

Have a look at the frame grabs (just one of the the terms that us videographers use) on Vincent Laforet's blog - I'd like to be able to take images like that with a 'still'.

Don Hoey 26-10-08 10:44

I could not handle video when I was given a Sony Hi8 as part of a promotion years ago when I got a laptop. Only ever used it for my first ever digital stills and then gave it away to my nephew.
I would rather work on a complex lighting set up for a single still image than work out a few minutes of movie sequence that would hang together. :rolleyes: :D

People obviously think this is the up and comming thing though. Link to Redrock site and their imminent release of pretty fancy DSLR video accessories. Check the thumbnails.
http://www.redrockmicro.com/redrock_dslr.html

Don

Gidders 26-10-08 22:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derekb (Post 30795)
If you REALLY want to see what this camera can do, then watch this video...

Here


Stunning does not quite tell the tale! :eek:

That clip doesn't seam to be available any more but try Here

And I think This is the same video as in the original link

sassan 26-10-08 23:16

On average a normal HD video camera cost you about 2.5 to 3 thousand dollars. Lens could be addition.
Now just think of buying a top of the notch still DSLR camera at same price, that gives you that 1080P resolution. Story doesn't even end here. Think of being able to use your own existing all focal length lenses, say from fish eye to long tele that too with "L" class quality glass that is one the reasons for many to switch to Canon line of photography products on this video system... Well now all are here and it is new 5D ii. Well it takes some 12 to 15 minutes shoots at a time but then that is probably more than enought if you are geting an assisted camera for the coverage and adding extra scene to final coverage. On top of that, for example a photographer covering a weding doesn't have to loss that especial movement that either still or video cam are needed but just to turn the knob. Now I am to see if any pro makes a full video coverage of a function just by this 5Dii. Near future will tell us.

I think idea is good and should work as a big plus especially that you don't have to pay any extra to get this body when compare to the old 5D. In other world, top quality HD recording is a free bonus wheather you want it or not and No it doesn't add any weight to the camera.

Can't think how this could be useful for myself, being able to see one of my youth age idols, "Demis Roussos" in concert, on Thursday night, when he was perfermoring at Shrine auditorium in LA to support and help fundrising for Diabetis. Well I had my cell phone and did take both still and video shoots but I have to cry when seeing the result now:(

Birdsnapper 27-10-08 04:47

I've been having more thoughts on video mode. Bird watching is another hobby of mine. As a photographer, I like to get still photos of birds, but as a bird watcher, I would love to get videos of the bird as well. I'd imagine that that there are a lot of photographers with a second hobby who would also like video mode.


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