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Originally Posted by Rokcet Scientist

While you're waiting for those LEDs to arrive you can use this brilliant macro softbox for 3 cents:

Brilliant Quick & Dirty Macro SoftBox.

Love it, now that is cheap, thanks for posting.

I have decided that the light from the led is not strong enough on its own, I still have to use another light source to get sufficient light, it works great as a fill in light.
The first ring flash I made earlier in this thread utilizing the pop up flash is still the winner as the only lighting for macro. I can use it up to f16 ,250s with no extra lighting.