Overcoming resizing hell?

[Matt Green]

Hi all

I'm currently using a Kodak easyshare compact!, some of the pics taken so far with this haven't been ''too'' bad (still just dabbling at this stage) however whenever I resize down to 800x800 pixels to upload in my gallery quite a lot of shots are rendered useless.

Is this just a result of using a cheap compact, or a natural process of resizing...will I still have this problem if I ever started using a DSLR?

Matt

[Canis Vulpes]

Resizing downward will make your pictures better! If you imagine every picture with a number of flaws, when you resize downward to 800 x 800 to reduce the scale of the flaws along with the picture content. The picture content remains but every picture flaw is reduced.

To answer your question, your issue is not a consequence of a cheap compact but more the resizing algorithm being employed in your post production.

Can you show some examples.

[Matt Green]

Originally Posted by Canis Vulpes

Can you show some examples.

Thanks, Canis Vulpes

Here's a couple of shots taken tonight

In both pictures the area around the branches has suffered some kind of distortion?, the originals in my folders look fine...

Matt

[andy153]

Hi Matt, I've looked at your thumbnails and the distortion you see in the branches appears to me to be "noise" from High ISO and the cameras own correction algorithm. To quote Ken Rockwell "Modern cameras use clever noise reduction which blurs the image in clever ways to hide noise. These systems are often clever enough to keep edges sharp. Unfortunately they blur soft details and textures along with the noise." I think this is what ahs happened in your case as you pushed the camera near it's limits.

[yelvertoft]

Originally Posted by Matt Green

Hi all

I'm currently using a Kodak easyshare compact!, some of the pics taken so far with this haven't been ''too'' bad (still just dabbling at this stage) however whenever I resize down to 800x800 pixels to upload in my gallery quite a lot of shots are rendered useless.

Is this just a result of using a cheap compact, or a natural process of resizing...will I still have this problem if I ever started using a DSLR?

Matt

Matt,

Can you give a fuller description of what you are doing please? Which software are you using to do this resizing? Which particular series of clicks are you going through to get the results you are doing? We may be able to help you a bit more if we have these details. I'd say you're using too high compression with jpeg images from the examples.

As Foxy has said, it should not be a result of using a compact camera, despite what Ken Rockwell would have you believe.

Regards,

Duncan

[Ant]

try this http://photoscape.en.softonic.com/
It's free... more info, once I've rembered how to use it (had it on the desktop previously). Unless you have something better already.

[postcardcv]

Originally Posted by Canis Vulpes

Resizing downward will make your pictures better! If you imagine every picture with a number of flaws, when you resize downward to 800 x 800 to reduce the scale of the flaws along with the picture content. The picture content remains but every picture flaw is reduced.

I'm not sure that I entirely agree with this... I've recently been struggling with downsizing images, they just seem to lack the impact of the full res shots. The loss of fine detail when downsizing can ruin a photo for me.

[andy153]

This is an interesting thread for me because I had trouble to start with and I now do all my resizes with Photoshop Elements. I aim for 480x360 pixels -sometimes I get away with 600x400 which seems to come in around 250 k - just under the site 300 k limit for uploads. If I tried 800x800 the upload would be rejected. How do others resize for uploads?

[mw_aurora]

I second Duncan's request for info on how you are currently doing it Matt.

Until then, simple steps in Photoshop...

1. Select menu item Image->Image size...

2. Check the boxes "Constrain proportions" and "Resample Image".

3. Select "Bicubic Sharper" from the resample drop-down. I used to use Bilinear and then apply extra sharpening afterwards, but with CS2 and CS3 have used Bicubic for most web images and get favourable results with most images.

4. Type the width (or height) you want the longest edge in the relevant box at the top. For example, I would type 800 in width for a landscape orientated image.

5. Click OK

6. Apply a little sharpening (e.g. USM) only if it needs it...

7. Save as JPEG and adjust the quality to adjust the final file size (or save for web and adjust the quality to adjust the final file size.

[Roy C]

Originally Posted by andy153

This is an interesting thread for me because I had trouble to start with and I now do all my resizes with Photoshop Elements. I aim for 480x360 pixels -sometimes I get away with 600x400 which seems to come in around 250 k - just under the site 300 k limit for uploads. If I tried 800x800 the upload would be rejected. How do others resize for uploads?

Andy, try reducing the jpeg compression level, you will be surprised how little difference there is between a high quality and low quality jpeg when viewing on the screen.
600 x 400 shot should come in well below 250k (my 900 x 600 come in below 200 k most of the time).
I did a test a while ago by saving a 800 x 533 image in all the jpeg qualities between 4 and 10 and there was virtually no difference when viewing but the file sizes varied from 60k to over 200k.