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I use Nikon Capture because the PS CS2 converter just is not up to scratch IMO. Clearly it is different in Canon land.
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As a Canon user DPP is an absolute waste of space. For RAW conversion I use Phase One, and now Lightroom.
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(a) RAW conversion parallels the firmware in the camera, so using DPP for canon camera allows you to set the camera parameters neutral or as you find yourself shifting them regularly. Likewise NX for Nikon. (b) the RAW converter in PS(E4) is only a subset of those in DPP/probably NX, not the lot. Saves are then to .png, not the original untouched article (c) PS is a notoriously user unfriendly programme that also hogs memory, flattens batteries and is generally anti-social. Unfortunately about the only thing that has layers and hosts one or two useful plug-ins, so that is all I use it for. |
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I have no experience of CS3 but I have CS2. Quick check on prices at WHE and CS3 £569 , NX £119. I just cannot resist this. Ever so easy done in NX. So here is a straight conversion from raw, that is full size to play with, but naturally suffered a huge compression to get it here, and the NX result ( excluding the touch of clone on the chimney and resize and sharpen). These were done in CS. About 30 mins worth of time. Should be a doddle in CS3 if it is the shniz. I am not at all sure how ACR deals with NEFs but when I have a bit of time I will check it out. Don |
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Couldn't resist combination of Don's steam engine and John Crossley's 'waste of space'.
Another version of Don's with the large gob of birdshit removed as well, which took about 4 of the 10 minutes operation from original jpg entirely using RGB section of DPP. Not sure why you got rid of the green paint Don and have left more colour in sky (actually I suppose the selective de-colouring is probably what took the time), in fact done very little other than touch of curve-contrasting and the cloning. And that is without having the RAW file and using stronger RAW pane of DPP http://www.worldphotographyforum.com...1&d=1183797590 Last edited by Chris; 07-07-07 at 09:49. |
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When I took the pic I had the vision of B&W conversion and put back the brass. I did this in the wet darkroom days and the process took ages. The brass being painted back with a fine brush and bleach. So as I had just got NX at the time I thought I would give it a go. You are right about where the time went. In NX the masking layers are automatically created so in essence you can just convert to B&W and then paint back any colour. I have no idea how to do this in Photoshop. In view of Jamies post I mentioned the relative prices to suggest that you can do a lot without breaking the bank, even if you achieve that through using more than one program. I have no doubt CS3 is a very powerful program but from my experience with NX and CS2 then I have found NX so much easier to use to do those things that it can ( easier learing curve ). If you run NX then you will need another photo editor to do cloning and some of the fancy pants stuff that Christine, Clive, Craftysnapper and others do. When I get a chance I will compare how CS deals with a Nikon Raw ( NEF ) file. NX reads all the camera settings and displays the image to suit those camera settings you had when you first open the image. You can then easily change any of those settings. This I found to be the big difference between NX and Rawshooter. Rawshooter although less memory hungry does not seem to recognise any of those settings so you have to reapply. Also a saved as raw file after you have made those adjustments in RSE does not read that info if you open the image at a later date. No such probs in NX or NC4. To answer an earlier question on NX, a jpeg can be saved as a NEF file ( 8bit ), Tiff file, or jpeg at various step levels of compression. If it is saved as a NEF then all processing actions undertaken are also saved with the image so they can be changed easily at a later date. A processed jpeg saved as NEF is a smaller file size than a straight Tiff. Don |
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If NX doesn't include cloning (as DPP does), then yes a 2nd stage prog is essential; one is anyway for horizon levelling (or use a bubble-cube in the first place?) Do you really mean "in NX, a jpeg can be saved as a NEF file", ie would it make some of its features available for non-Nikon files? |
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Hey Stephen, Park cameras are doing NX for £99
http://www.parkcameras.com/ProductDe...tegoryID/32/v/ |
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thanks Chris I will check that out.
Stephen |
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NX will treat any jpeg from any source the same as if it was from a Nikon. The same goes for Tiffs. Naturally shots taken in RAW on a Nikon camera allow for adjustment of lots of things W/B, exposure, colour space etc that are not available options to change in jpeg anyway. All the other features of the program are though. I will post some screen grabs of these later. A jpeg saved as a NEF is probably similar to what you get with .PSD. I have not gone the .PSD route to exactly know what you get. Don |
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